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My thesis: everyone's unique and varied life histories mean that blunt forms of gatekeeping invariably hurt those they intend to help. No one is static and failure is how we grow.

I'll first discuss how my particular background affects my perspective, why I think gatekeeping negatively impacts people within the diaspora community, with a detour into how this leads to the facile recommendation of “research”.

The direction I'd like to push the conversation: examine your take and ask yourself who is going to read it? Who is going to read “you’re a guest in this house” and feel like, wait, are they really Chinese? What effect do you intend to have?

Disclaimer: the timing of this post is obviously in conversation with other tweets; however, it is not intended to directly address any particular tweet, but overall trends in fandom. In other words, this is not a subtweet of anyone, but rather arises from several conversations I've had over the last year. Parts of this post were written as far back as 2020!

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In conclusion:
people should be allowed to fail in fandom, to get things wrong, to learn and to grow. If you're going to try to set norms, you need to consider their side effects and the rationales and logic behind those decisions.
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I slept on it and I still want to say it, so controversial opinion: I think it's natural to compare WOH to CQL, as a touchstone of a recent Chinese danmei adaptation that has made it relatively big in the anglosphere. 
 
I don't care about the particular article, but this sort of thing has been backlashed MULTIPLE times in the last few months, and there's something in the shape of the backlash that's been a little weird to me. Like, yes, it's frustrating when someone who doesn't know basic genre differences acts as if they were an expert. It's an easy dunk to make! 
 
Leaving aside the question of simplification for a popular audience, there are still huge similarities between the two, especially for an audience that isn't already super familiar with the genres in question? Like, Vorvayne pointed out, even if the only thing in common they have is that they're Chinese, this is... a pretty significant common factor? Culturally, narratively, historically, that's a lot of commonality that is notable to an anglophone audience. They also are relatively recent danmei adaptations that have gained huge popularity both in and out of China; it's kind of weird to say that they HAVEN'T been influenced by each other. I know the wuxia vs xianxia divide is strongly defended, but they are adjacent genres, even if they aren't in direct conversation.
 
I hate reading facile articles, and I'm hardly going to consider this kind of article / twitter comparison / what have you as recommended reading. I too would rather read that article by an expert who has the background to make interesting comparisons and delve more deeply than any of these pop articles do! Erin has much to say about WHY we don't get those Good Articles and how difficult it's been to get anyone expert to write ONE article on CQL, but all I have to contribute on that is: the Bad Take gets the views. 
 
In conclusion, GOT is a super weird comparison to make for WOH, but CQL feels to me, not only a natural comparison point, but also a justifiable one? These comparisons are made to sell the show to a new audience! 
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1. Diaspora vs Chinese-from-China feelings on culture. Growing up diaspora means living through racism that completely colors the perspective -- it's hard to explain why wearing qipao as a costume is A Problem or cultural appropriation broadly to people who haven't had the experience of it being uncool and othering when you do something and then cool when a white person does it. From someone who grew up in the dominant culture, it just seems like a good thing that people are interested, right?

Anyway, this leads to a feeling (a logical one!) of possessiveness over the tidbits of culture that you can claim for yourself.

2. The nuances of cultural erasure for a canon that was created by the dominant ethnicity and culture of Somewhere Else. As point 1 says, I highly doubt Chinese-from-China would feel as possessive over MDZS/CQL as diaspora fans do. They have many canons that reflect their world; as diaspora, there is relatively few canons that speak to the Chinese diaspora experience. So we attach ourselves to the things we can see a glimmer of ourselves in, in familiar faces, even though we aren't really their target audience.

I personally don't like most modern AUs or really, fic that gets too removed from the Chinese roots of the canon and just /feels/ wrong. It's just not what I enjoy reading. But I'd argue that it's way more erasure to celebrate [insert vaguely often American modern AU here] through its ubiquity and influence on the fandom. I know I fall more on the "this is a transformative works" fandom side of things generally, though I also know that fic and fandom can be deeply racist. But blanket bans on what kind of transformative works are permissive... MDZS/CQL are out there in the world! We can't erase it by any fanworks.

I do fully understand /why/ people are uncomfortable with certain transformations, I just think that in the absence of criticism of transformations that are similar, it leads to point 3.

3. I am so, so, so uncomfortable with anti-Semitism in a world where the alt right is resurging. Adding to the previous tweets I made a while back, characterizing Jews as "greedy," "taking over" are clearly dogwhistles. Please, I beg you, do not. The double standard where Christian AUs don't get backlash? Also seriously anti-Semitic.

As a nonreligious person who grew up in the US, where Christian Chinese are common, I absolutely 100% really do not like Christian AUs. And hey-- I can skip them when they're tagged. The fic getting backlashed was tagged as AU and Jewish from the very beginning.

In conclusion, I don't really want to be ~discourse all the time~ like I feel like I've been recently. I wanted to do two things: a. to push back on the narrative of "you're pushing out diaspora folks!" a bit and b. leave an opening for my ideal, a more nuanced discussion about why certain things feel like erasure and certain things do not. I think it would be revealing.
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Don't pay lip service to "oh we don't speak for all the diaspora" and then if someone disagrees call them names and say how much self hatred they have.

You do not speak for all the diaspora.

I try to always express myself cleanly and I'm always, always willing to change my views with more data (the sign of a scientist!). I was already hesitant to say anything bc it didn't sound like opposing views would be entertained at all, so I narrowed my arguments to the most major, (I thought) unobjectionable flaw. I doubt any of the more fuzzy ones about diaspora vs mainland politics, the element of the fantastical, or the transformative nature of our fandom would have been entertained at all!

I'm actually shocked at how upset I am over this. I'm so glad the mdzs/cql fandom let me meet new folks, but I can't say that it was a good experience overall.

(Xposted from twitter for posterity/archiving purposes)

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